Holocaust Memorial Day
Holocaust
by Barbara Sonek
by Barbara Sonek
We played, we laughed
we were loved.
We were ripped from the arms of our
parents and thrown into the fire.
We were nothing more than children.
We had a future. We were going to be lawyers, rabbis, wives, teachers, mothers. We had dreams, then we had no hope. We were taken away in the dead of night like cattle in cars, no air to breathe smothering, crying, starving, dying. Separated from the world to be no more. From the ashes, hear our plea. This atrocity to mankind can not happen again. Remember us, for we were the children whose dreams and lives were stolen away.
Berlin memorial If the Islamofascist Council of Britain wishes to boycott the Holocaust Memorial Day again, that is their prerogative. They can then also kindly get out of Britain and take their followers with them. Wife beating, 'honour killings', Jew-hatred, threats against free speech, Sharia Law, and terrorism that is endemic to Islam, can return back to the Middle East and Pakistan.
See: What the West needs to know about Islam.
17 comments:
it's much like true Christianity...most of it's followers do not truly understand, nor practice their religion authentically.
I am amazed and fascinated at how many variations and interpretations religious people have of their doctrines.
How many westerners (or people from any country) know the difference between Judaism, Christianity and Islam? I say...not many.
Holocaust Memorial Day is respected and observed throughout Italy.
Islam seems to be blamed for a lot of things.
Beaman, you need to remember that it was the Romans that kicked the Jews outs of Palestine. It was the Spanish and Italians that ordered the Jews to leave their countries or convert, during the Inquisition. It was the Muslim Ottomans that allowed 90,000 Jews to settle into Turkey when no other country would accept them. It was Catholic and Lutheranian Germans that committed the halocaust. But is seems as though the Jews only want to condemn the muslims.
The Arabs did not have a problem with the Jews until 1947. That was when the U.N. granted the Jews a separate state. The incredible atrocities that were committed in Germany should have been acknowledged. The U.N. should have granted the Jews the better part of Germany for the suffering they caused them not Palestine.
That video is pure fear mongering and as an educated person you ought to know better.
How deeply regretful to read your post.
Ardent: Your history is mostly correct but to say the Arabs did not have a problem with Jews before 1947 is grossly absurd. There were periods of relative socio-economic prosperity and cultural freedoms for Jews living in Islamic lands but these were few and far between. Most of the time they were second class citizens who were violently oppressed if they were seen to be rising above their place.
Christians of course committed atrocities against both Jews and Muslims. The problem is that Islam is still trying to demolish the Jewish people and is growing its hatred against secularism, modernity and non-Muslims.
Have you not heard of the Arab riots of the 1920s in 'Palestine'? Or where Hebron was emptied of all its Jews by Arab gangs? Islamic malice towards the Jews is clearly seen in the Hadith going as far back as the time when Mohammed ordered a Jewish poet to be killed.
The Jews have every right to live in Palestine, both under International Law and morally. The State of Israel could have and must only be, in one location. Where it is now. Palestine has never been a nation nor a separate cultural identity, so the Zionists didn't destroy, invade or uproot anyone.
In 1941 (before Israel and 1947), the leader of the Arabs in Palestine, Mufti al-Husseini, went to meet Hitler. The visit’s objective was not to discuss the opening of a new hummus chain in Berlin. The Mufti wanted Hitler to pledge that Germany’s only objective was to exterminate the Jews residing in “Arab space under British patronage.”
Beaman,
Unfortunately all nations knew what Hitler was doing. The Americans and the British also knew that Hitler was exterminating the Jews and they all did nothing about it, which is immoral and disgusting.
The only time Britain and America joined the war was when they thought Hitler was amassing too much territory and was becoming too powerful.
Yet your scorn is only directed at Arabs. I have no close affinity with Arabs but I can see both sides of the picture whereas you are biased. Palestine is a territorial war, not a religious war.
When the Ottomans took in 90,000 Jews, where was your saving Christian community then?
‘There were periods of relative socio-economic prosperity and cultural freedoms for Jews living in Islamic lands but these were few and far between. Most of the time they were second class citizens who were violently oppressed if they were seen to be rising above their place.’
In Biblical history the Jews were always the slaves of society, I do not know why … But why blame this on Muslim culture? The Christians did a lot worse. They invented a slander campaign against Jews, stating that Jews would sacrifice Christian children and drink their blood. So many cruel things, yet the whole of suppressed Jewish bitterness have blown up against the Muslims. What have the Muslims of Malaysia, Indonesia, Bosnia, Turkey, Cyprus done to the Jews???? Yet you spread that vile anti-Muslim video recording to gain hatred to an entire religion. I watched a bit of it, it is pure generalization; it is sensationalized, inaccurate, demeaning and probably produced by Right-wing Jews like you.
Beaman you have an extreme hate problem and it is reflected on your site.
Ardent: The video I linked to in no way spreads hate or violence. It is a decent documentary exploring the negative aspects of Islam. They interview Islamic scholars on this video such as Walid Shoebat and Abdullah al-Araby who admit to the violence endemic in Islamic teachings. Their very own religion.
If Islam is to live in peace with the rest of the world then it desperately needs some painful introspection and peaceful development.
Why is it anti-Muslim to point out the negatives of a religion? Islam is somehow perfect and above criticism? Going by the terrorist attacks, cartoon violence and women's rights, I'd say it has major failings that need to be addressed.
The Jews went through relatively good periods under the Ottoman Empire but were also subjected to sudden turnarounds where they were persecuted. To think it was all good going during that era is nonsense. That is just historical fact.
There is also Jew-hatred in the Hadith ranging back to Mohammed's hatred that the Arabian Jewish tribes fought against him. Again, that is just fact. If you want me to paste a few passages, I'd be more than happy to.
Islamic nations despise Israel and have continually written up resolutions in the United Nations against the Jewish State. If not for the saving veto from the United States, these mad and nonsensical resolutions would be passed as legally binding.
My scorn is not directed at Arabs. My frustration is directed at those intent on destroying a free and democratic nation either directly or indirectly. Whether they be Hamas members, Al Qaeda, Socialist Loonies in London marching for Hezbollah or people who defend the Islamic World's lies regarding the blood libel, the protocols and media distortions that present Israel in an undeserved bad light.
What suppressed Jewish bitterness?
Why does someone have to be right-wing to see the danger that Islam poses to Europe and the world? You think in 25 years when Holland is majority Islamic, that it will be any different to what Lebanon looks like now?
It's in no way hate, it is worry for the reality that the future poses for social democracy and freedom of speech. Israel is fighting the very same battle we are, that of Islamic Jihad.
You an poo poo that last statement if you like but I'm sure the families of the victims of the next terrorist attacks in Europe will agree with me.
A couple of dear and devout Muslim friends even agree with me!
Off topic perhaps - yet Israel may be the reason certain intolerants cannot bear to admit the holocaust.
Real estate wise, including after the show hoes like West Bank and Gaza Strip - even the hotly contested 13 acres of hottie Har Dov (Shee Bah Farms in Arabic) Tiny tiny Little Satan 'occupies' less than 1% of the Arab world and less than a /10th of 1% of Islamic turf.
What the heck is it about 7 million people that drive almost 300 million absolutely bloody batty?
At war from the day she was born, Little Satan hit the hood and pretty much took over. In every measure of economic, political, social, and cultural measurements, Little Satan is a success. Thriving - totally off the hook - amid a hood fully stocked with misery. Without oil, without a large population, without friendly homies on her borders, without vast real estate, and without the Suez Canal, she is far superior, far more humane than Hosni's Egypt, Abdullah's Jordan, Bashar's Syria and ex colonies like Fatah's West Bank and HAMAS' Gaza Strip.
After all, the real problem in the ME has never been just a K or 2K acres of disputed land, occupied turf or Holy sites. Complete absence of a legitimate government — and played arabic, Palestinian, mohammedist, and socialist foreign subsidized myths and make believeologies - Rowdy foreigners (who share the same customs and dialects), who learned the hard way not to send in THEIR jets and panzers to conquer Palestine from the river to the sea, feed failed ideas.
That inhumane tactics, illegitimate leaders, suiciders, rocket brigades would grant sweet fruit like the honor, prosperity, and victory that they could never receive through war, tribal dictatorships or public opinion.
In Great Satan - it's called Palestinian Sympathy Fatigue.
Beaman, I just watched a bit of the first video, so I did not see any scholars. Everything in life, books, teachings, religion is all open to interpretation. Just b/c he may be a scholar, it is only one scholar's interpretation.
If that were the case, all Christians should adamantly hate the Jews b/c of the Biblican quote, (St. Matthew 27:25) And all the people answered, "His blood be on us and on our children!"
In history this quote was the basis for all the hatred against Jews. I refuse to use quotes taken out of context to promote fear mongering against Islam.
In fact I see alot of similarity b/w the Torah and the Koran.
"Why does someone have to be right-wing to see the danger that Islam poses to Europe and the world? You think in 25 years when Holland is majority Islamic, that it will be any different to what Lebanon looks like now?"
I have never been to Lebanon. But my Lebanese friends tell me it used to be very cosmopolitan, prior to Isreal bombarding it because of 2 kindnapped soldiers.
Sorry I forgot that it is totally justifiable to use that force!
Total destruction of Lebanese infrastructure and certain Lebanese towns = 2 kidnapped soldiers.
The Israelis also bombed some (Italian)U.N. personell at their post, killing them too in the process. But that was fair.
There is fault on both sides, wake up!!!!
Ardent: Biblical passages on violence were from particular times and instances, not open ended commands such as in the Koran. In the New Testament, Jesus has a consistent message of peace and loving-kindness and forbids murder. Unlike Mohammed.
Christians who committed violence and murder throughout the ages were going against the very tenants of Christianity. Unfortunately Islamic violence is justified in the Koran and Hadith.
There are no 'love your enemies' or 'turn the other cheek' in Islamic scriptures. Christianity has also developed and adapted to changing times and morality.
Hezbollah, Syria and Palestinian terrorist groups have destroyed Lebanon not Israel. Do you not know about Lebanon's history?
Israel did not attack Lebanon solely because of the two kidnapped soldiers. Islamic terrorists had been firing rockets into Israel from Lebanon for years. The Lebanese govt did nothing to stop it. They got what they sowed.
Total destruction of Lebanese infrastructure? Oh come on! Exaggerate why don't you. :)
The Israelis did not intentionally bomb any UN personnel. Hezbollah had set up rocket sites next to the bases and used the 'protection' to carry out attacks on Israel. The UN should have stopped them.
The fault is on the Palestinian and Islamic nation's side. Relativism does not work in this situation.
I think all religions have a negative side Beaman.
Christianity has negative aspects among its various denominations. To a childless couple, who want IVF, the Catholic Church says 'no'.
Not all Muslim nations are as severe as Saudi Arabia.
To this day, no woman can touch the Wailing Wall in Israel, even though women were permitted in the temple in ancient times. Why is that? Is that because women aren't considered equal to pray at a slab of stone? That's similar to mosques, where women take their place at the back. There are so many similarities between the Torah and the Koran Beaman. The three religions identify the same prophets and I'm not going to go into the detail, but the Koran revers Jesus as a prophet.
I think you're confusing what fanatic Islamists say with the remainder who don't preach what the fanatics say, unfortunately the media prefers to focus on displaying the fanatics because it sells more copy. Everyone knows this. You should know this better than anyone.
The other thing I don't understand is that you don't live in Israel. If you speak to someone who actually lives in Israel (and I have), you'll find that people do get on with their lives, and live their lives. They don't need bloggers to make out like they're fragile or on the verge of extinction - which they're not.
There's currently an illegal war in Iraq, and it is supported by a bunch of Christian fundamentalists, and you don't mention it at all, meanwhile more Iraqi civilians have died (compared to Coalition soldiers), and that, should be considered a violation as are the illegal torture practices sanctioned by a 'Christian nation's administration', and the massacres that have unfolded, and the rapes at the hands of Coalition soldiers. An insurgency didn't exist in Iraq before the Coalition entered Iraq illegally. So what's Christianity?
Is any religion better than the other? How so? How many people are completely united now? You date someone of an opposite faith, and depending on the faith, they'll expect a man to be circumcised or uncircumcised, male babies are being violated each day because of backward views dating back to times when people lived in tribes in deserts without running water or plumbing. C'mon...
Anastasia: Indeed all religions have negative aspects but some have more problems than others. It's also not about nation states (Saudi Arabia) so much as the mindset of the world Ummah.
I tend to disagree with the idea of a minority of extremists and a majority of 'mainstream'. Most Muslims don't engage in violence or the spreading of hate but there are large swathes of sympathy for such acts. From the Koran we see a reactionary 'them v us' mentality which has continued to the present time. Would most Muslims really go against Bin Laden if he was being attacked directly by the USA or Israel? This is why so few Muslims publicly speak out and condemn terrorism, as well as the fear of being attacked themselves.
I know Israel doesn't need inconsequential bloggers like me to make out they are fragile or to write in support of them. However I feel the need to do it anyway. Israelis are brave people and are fully capable of looking after themselves but that doesn't mean the rest of the world should ignore them.
The US and UK have not gone into Iraq because of religion. That is the difference. The governments have not actively tried to convert Iraqis to Christianity or to kill all Muslims. Whether the war is blamed on oil or (which I agree with) the spread of democracy it cannot be blamed on religion as far as the allies are concerned.
Where have the allies carried out massacres or mass rapes? In all wars there are a few who commit crimes and of course they must be punished but the majority of allied soldiers are doing an excellent job.
An insurgency did exist in Iraq before the invasion. It always has but Saddam suppressed it through torture and dictatorial processes. I fully disagree with the idea that the West is fully to blame for the Iraq civil war, it would have happened anyway, sooner or later.
Regardless, it is a lamp to terrorists who flock to the region. That is true and it is why it's a perfect place to cull their numbers and divert their attentions from our mainlands.
Yes, some religions are better, more moral and more peaceful than others. I do not believe in Relativism. Buddhism is in my opinion the highest on all of the above criteria. Just like democracy is the best form of government and Western morality the highest form of civilisation.
The UK and USA have gone to Iraq because of oil Beaman, but religion has been used as a tool to justify this war, as it has in the past with the Crusades. History is interesting, because many statesmen adopt the same or similar tactics. The Crusades unfolded to eliminate the Saracen, but more importantly, and the irony mind you, is that the Crusader is the one who stormed Constantinople (Byzantium) and ransacked it FIRST before the Ottomans. In my view, the fact of the Crusaders (their execution at the order of a Pope) was highly ironic. They were executed by the same power who enlisted them, and once that 'power' saw that they didn't receive the riches they saw as being theirs, they attacked them.
Decades before Iraq, the UK and USA successfully formulated a way to have gateway access to the Middle East via Cyprus, result of which was war (1974), while the USA and the UK sat there watching. The two powers played chess, as they usually do, and people die. This is happening in Israel.
You should read the essays of Dr Nawal Sadaawi and what she says about the rise of Islamic fundamentalism, that of it not being an overnight process, and how certain foreign agencies funded these 'cells' for decades, except now, they've mutated, and the powers that be are unable to control them.
The west had no right to interfere in Iraq. Who do you think put Sadaam in power? Do you think Saddam put himself in that chair Beaman? If you read about Saddam's rise, you'll see that he was placed there by the western 'Christian' powers. He wasn't like Vladimir Lenin, he was a puppet who got too big for his boots.
He had every right to be angry with Kuwait and the United States when the US decided to discard his country's oil because that's what Iraq traded on, that's what they relied on to bring in money to feed citizens, and throw him aside like a rag when they wanted, and that is what happened during the oil crisis period in Iraq. Kuwait sold oil cheaper, they became the new 'golden' egg for the US, and Iraq (who was an ally of the US) was nothing - not if oil could be bought cheaper. And when I say this, I'm not condoning the Iraq-Kuwait war, but like everything, it was based on a principle, just like all the principles Henry Kissinger has used over the years to create discord, to bring about wars (like the 1974 war in Cyprus). In the words of Kissinger, direct quote: 'America has no friends, American only has interests.'
When thousands of former soldiers were given US $20, and told to go home and feed their families, like what did happen during this recent war in Iraq, then how wouldn't an insurgency occur? You tell me. If you think that the same insurgency existed during Saddam, as it does now (in terms of numbers: I mean more than 80,000 insurgents), you're naive. But that's what the Coalition did. 'Take 20 bucks and bugger off home.'
An interesting documentary, made by a Jew, titled 'Suicide Killers' is interesting to watch. To see both sides of extremism. To see the poverty within Gaza, and to draw parallels with the way this big military machines have essentially emasculated and psychologically tortured (and still torture) millions of men, and for what? So more armaments can be sold by both sides? Which there are. To George W Bush it's about filling qoutas, but we're talking about human lives here, on both sides. Men aren't being fully trained, and being sent out to deal with insurgents, and they die within a fortnight of active service.
If any religion was 'better' than others, then there wouldn't be conflict.
Where have their been rapes? A 14 year old Iraqi girl was raped by a US Coalition soldier. Abu Ghraib and the torturing practices that were photographed for entertainment? The trial of Lyndie England, and her male superiors?
Western morality? What morality. Do you have any idea that many of the ancient works, works considered to be significant works at the formation of 'western civilisation' and by that I mean just after and/or during Alexander the Great's time, exist because Arab scholars translated them? Fast forward to today, and what do you have? Coalition soldiers invading, what was formerly, Mesopotamia. You compare the vision that idiots like George W Bush have today, to the vision that people like Alexander the Great had before 'Christ' (of there being no social divides, regardless of religion, because he didn't seek to wipe out religions)and there is a distinct difference.
In my everyday life, I'm approached my more religious 'freaks' on the street, trying to convince me to convert to their 'Christian denomination' than anyone else. Jews and Muslims don't 'sell' their relgions to people, they don't have money driven Evangelical TV Shows, and there's plenty of room for resolutions, but hatred is easier to spread, oil is an aphrodisiac.
Frankly I don't see how frothing at the mouth, and spreading hatred in a blog is considered civilized. Do you? I'm not Jewish, and I'm not Muslim, but the foreign policies that have unfolded are enough to make me retch, and all this does have a way of returning like Karma.
What will you do, in the future, (hypothetically) should you have children and for your child to meet someone that isn't Jewish or Christian, who is Muslim. What will you do? Indoctrinate them with hatred, so they're conflicted, so they end up hurting someone, or hurting themselves due to all the indoctrination they've digested?
My understanding is that there are millions of Muslims living in Europe, in fact there are more than 1 billion Muslims around the world, and the irony of life is that the very things that people rage at, often return. I don't like to call it karma, because it's too new age for me, but that's the only term I can think of using.
If you traveled somewhere, and something happened, anything (accident, or similar), and the only person to help you was Muslim, what would you do? Tell them to bugger off because they're Muslim?
I guess my question is, would you be prepared to die to fulfill your hatred if such a situation arose?
Or alternatively, if you had to work in a company, and you worked with Muslims, how would you treat them? And these are significant issues because economies aren't segregated, but I'm curious, after what I've just read in your post, I do wonder how you would treat a Muslim or Palestinian co-worker. Would you indirectly (in a sublte way, or way you didn't think was obvious) cause them grief, because there is such a thing as body language, and indirect cues that relay an individual's true thoughts.
It's one thing to use secondary resources to discuss religion, and to further a one sided view, which is what most bloggers do, because they aren't real journalists, and they'll never be journalists, but the remnants of hatred and propaganda affect a person's everyday life in ways that are too numerous to list: employee bullying, discrimination, exclusion, 'side' glances. The one thing that's disgusted me in my everyday life, is having to observe some co-workers of mine, during my smoke breaks, eye Muslim women (in passing) with disdain, just because they wear a headscarf, and that to me isn't civilized.
I won't even begin to tell you what sort of judgments I've faced, and how many relationships have ended all because of people (ie Christian men) being unable to handle the fact that I had a relationship with a Muslim at one point in my life - like I'd been contaminated by Ebola or something worse. And I wouldn't call that civilized behavior. I find it sickening, and I see it as hypocrisy.
Civilization is defined in many ways, but I define it at the grass roots level. If people can't be civilized in their normal everyday lives, then how can the term civilization be applicable? Example: If a nation detains people, with no charge and/or evidence in places like Guatanamo or Abu Ghraib and psychologically tortures them, then how is that civilized?
Meanwhile, all the wealthy statesmen (the Kissingers, the Bushes, etc) sit back, drink Cristal, check their Rolex, and have a servant serve them dinner.
"Israel did not attack Lebanon solely because of the two kidnapped soldiers."
It's amazing how there's been no update on those two soldiers huh? Those soldiers were used as a reason by Israeli politicians, and that's a fact - regardless of what you say.
But it was quite interesting to see how oil prices were immediately rose when that conflict broke out, and how a drop of oil is costlier than a drop of blood. Beaman everyone in the world knows that there were more Lebanese causalities from that recent attack, and what perplexes me is how there is no 'single' definitive account of what took place at the border that day.
Must always be remembered.
Anastasia: "The UK and USA have gone to Iraq because of oil Beaman, but religion has been used as a tool to justify this war, as it has in the past with the Crusades."
They did not go in for the oil. It would have been cheaper and easier just to strike a deal with Saddam.
Regarding the Crusades. They were a defensive measure to combat the ever increasing Jihad into Europe. If they had not taken place Europe would have eventually fallen and we would not be where we are now. There were various other reasons for the Crusades but they were an act against unprovoked aggression from centuries of Muslim ferocity, dating back to Mohammed's first conquests. They were wars to recapture Christian lands, not religious imperialism.
Did you know that in 772, the Caliph al-Mansur ordered the hands of Christians and Jews in Jerusalem to be stamped with a distinctive symbol? Did you know about the mass ransacking of monasteries and churches in the 8th and 9th centuries that forced many Christians to flee to Constantinople? Who do you think destroyed the Church of Calvary and the Church of the Resurrection in 937?
Pope Urban II, who called for the 1st Crusade at the Council of Clermont in 1095, was calling for a defensive war. He said "For your brethren who live in the east are in urgent need of your help... the Turks and Arabs have attacked them... they have killed and captured many, and have destroyed the churches..."
He did not envision the crusades as a chance for gain merely a recovery of lost lands.
"You should read the essays of Dr Nawal Sadaawi and what she says about the rise of Islamic fundamentalism"
Islamic fundamentalism is not a new thing. It has been inherent in Islam since its conception by Mohammed. Do you think the Prophet was a peace loving man who praised non violence? Absolutely not.
The west had no right to interfere in Iraq. Who do you think put Sadaam in power? Do you think Saddam put himself in that chair Beaman? If you read about Saddam's rise, you'll see that he was placed there by the western 'Christian' powers.
Yes, the West is partly at fault for Saddam. I don't deny that. I disagree with your 'Christian' label however. It had nothing to do with religion. Purely politics.
You tell me. If you think that the same insurgency existed during Saddam, as it does now (in terms of numbers: I mean more than 80,000 insurgents), you're naive.
Who knows. Saddam was so brutal they didn't exactly parade themselves openly. There was however much opposition (insurgency) against Saddam. The Iraqis blowing up their brethren in Iraq didn't just appear out of thin air.
"To see the poverty within Gaza"
Self imposed poverty yes. I blame no one but the Palestinians for their plight.
"If any religion was 'better' than others, then there wouldn't be conflict."
Some religions are more ethical and peaceful than others, indeed. The number of followers does not predict the moral soundness of a faith.
Where have their been rapes? A 14 year old Iraqi girl was raped by a US Coalition soldier. Abu Ghraib and the torturing practices that were photographed for entertainment? The trial of Lyndie England, and her male superiors?
They were absolutely terrible actions yes. Those who committed those crimes were and should be severely punished. However they are a minority and as I stated earlier, there has never been a war without a minority carrying out atrocities, sadly.
"Western morality? What morality. Do you have any idea that many of the ancient works, works considered to be significant works at the formation of 'western civilisation' and by that I mean just after and/or during Alexander the Great's time, exist because Arab scholars translated them?"
Islam had a Golden Age, particularly in Science and Maths. No doubting that. However there is little evidence to suggest any of it came from Islam itself.
Plus the translators you describe were actually mainly Christians living in Islamic lands.
Probus a priest from Antioch introduced Aristotle to the Arabic-speaking world.
The Christian Huneyn ibn Ishaq translated many of the works of Galen, Plato and Hippocrates into Syriac, then into Arabic by his son.
The Christian Syrian, Yahya ibn 'Adi translated many works of philosophy into Arabic, including 'the reformation of morals'.
The first Arabic-language medical treatise was written by a Christian priest and translated into Arabic by a Jewish doctor. The first hospital in Baghdad was built by a Nestorian Christian as was the pioneering medical school at Gundeshapur in Persia.
The first university in the region, the Assyrian-Christian School of Nisibis.
The list goes on and on.
Islamic culture was once more advanced than European cultures. However that was when they were simply able to draw upon the Byzantine achievements.
Sadly, once all the Christians and Jews had been converted, Islam then went into a cultural and moral decline from which it has never really recovered. Stagnation.
"Western morality? What morality."
Surely you can answer that yourself as a Westerner.
"Jews and Muslims don't 'sell' their relgions to people, they don't have money driven Evangelical TV Shows"
Jews don't, you're right.
Have you ever watched television clips from the Islamic World? What do you call acts of terror? They are to scare people into submitting to the force of Islam. Give me money driven Christian evangelicals any day.
"The one thing that's disgusted me in my everyday life, is having to observe some co-workers of mine, during my smoke breaks, eye Muslim women (in passing) with disdain, just because they wear a headscarf, and that to me isn't civilized."
I agree. It would annoy me too to see people looking at anyone with disdain, regardless of religion or clothing. However I do believe headscarves should be banned in European nations, at least in the work place and school.
"I won't even begin to tell you what sort of judgments I've faced, and how many relationships have ended all because of people (ie Christian men) being unable to handle the fact that I had a relationship with a Muslim at one point in my life - like I'd been contaminated by Ebola or something worse. And I wouldn't call that civilized behavior. I find it sickening, and I see it as hypocrisy."
I agree again, totally and completely. I despise the religious requirements that demand people of different faiths cannot marry. Hence why I despise the Islamic rule that Muslim women cannot have relationships or marry non-Muslim men. Believe me. I want different faiths (including Islam) to inter-marry more than anyone. It's desperately, desperately, desperately needed.
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